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May 9, 2022

Udi Dahan is one of the world’s foremost experts on Service-Oriented Architecture and Domain-Driven Design and is also the creator of NServiceBus; the most popular service bus for .NET. Udi joined us back on Episode 32 to discuss Microservices.


Topics of Discussion:

[2:47] Udi talks about some of the changes, and similarities, in distributed computing in the last five years as well as generational differences to approach learning.

[11:27] Udi defines what a service mesh is and when it’s applicable.

[14:46] Udi discusses his concerns regarding using a service mesh and common problems encountered.

[22:28] With most of the new generation of programmers using Web service-based programming, what does Udi think they need to hear?

[27:50] Why Udi thinks the larger companies and vendors need to take more responsibility and “do more good.”

[32:48] Udi shares more on NServiceBus’s offerings and functionality and why developers need to learn more.

[36:36] Are there any pieces of NServiceBus that will need more than just a .NET standard support?


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Particular Software — NServiceBus

Episode 32 — Microservices


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  • “Every generation of programmers needs to relearn kind of the same points over again.” — Udi [3:51]
  • “We’re still essentially coming up with new generations of technologies that are addressing the same category of problems.” — Udi [6:16]
  • “The problem is not rooted in what do they need to hear so much as who do they need to hear it from.”— Udi [23:51]
  • “If you know a thing, if you can help, then you should.” — Udi [29:47]
  • “NServiceBus essentially takes all of the problems that you never want to have, and the challenges that most people don’t know that they’re going to have so they don’t appreciate it until they have it, and essentially prevents them from happening.”— Udi [34:29]
  • “That ounce of prevention is equivalent to a pound of cure.” — Udi [34:46]


Udi: Website | Twitter