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Jan 17, 2022

This week, Jeffrey welcomes Jeff Fritz to the show. As an experienced developer, technical educator, and PM on the .NET team at Microsoft, Jeff also founded the Live Coders team on Twitch where he regularly livestreams builds of websites and fun applications. The two Jeffs talk about .NET 6, the .NET Conf, Jeff’s passion for getting .NET in education and what that takes, and why C# needs to also be in more standard settings. They also talk about starting simple and building to the complex in education, .NET notebooks, and resources for people to learn, just for the sake of learning.


Topics of Discussion:

[3:29] Where should one start with the .Net Conf? What were some of Jeff’s biggest moments from the conference?

[4:29] Jeff talks about what he likes about the .NET Maui application.

[9:29] Why isn’t C# being taught more widely in schools? Jeff says that we need to get C# into colleges and high schools, and make more educational material available for the kids, now that .NET is open source.

[11:19] Is .NET ready for education? What are we missing?

[13:52] Jeff talks about his class every Monday, C# with CSharpFritz.

[20:08] Why does Jeff recommend that programmers learn to learn?

[22:28] What is the benefit of being specialized in one area, and what makes up the divide? Is it the applications that people work in? The tools they use?

[26:56] Why should we collaborate?

[30:53] When we educate people, we should give them the basic feature first, then start making it more complex.

[35:11] Does Jeff think that .NET 6.0 is the catalyst that’s needed to get C# into places like


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.Net Conf

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