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Azure DevOps Podcast

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Aug 3, 2020

In today’s episode, Jeffrey is joined by a good friend and incredible software engineer and trainer, Richard Hundhausen.


Richard helps software organizations and teams deliver better products by understanding and leveraging Azure DevOps and Scrum. He is a Professional Scrum Trainer, Professional Scrum Developer, author of Professional Scrum with Azure DevOps (MS Press), and co-creator of the Nexus Scaled Scrum framework. As a software developer and consultant with over 30 years of experience, he understands that software is built and delivered by people and not by processes or tools.


In their conversation today, Richard outlines what Scrum now looks like in 2020, what the roles look like, clears up misconceptions, offers tips to Scrum teams both new and old, and shares some advice on how Scrum teams can best adapt to changes in technology.


Topics of Discussion:

[:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes.

[:46] About The Azure DevOps Podcast and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:30] About today’s episode with Richard Hundhausen.

[2:15] Jeffrey welcomes Richard to the podcast.

[2:50] Richard shares about his background and how he first got into software engineering and training.

[6:04] Richard speaks on software lifecycle development and management.

[8:08] About the newest book Richard is working on; a follow-up to Professional Scrum Development.

[11:08] Richard gives an update on the current Scrum guide; i.e. what is Scrum in 2020.

[14:52] For an organization that wants short cycle times all the way through to production, does Scrum as it exists in 2020, work?

[16:59] If someone adopted a flow model, does that mean that they wouldn’t be doing Scrum? Or does Scrum fit nicely with a flow model as well?

[18:57] In modern Scrum, are there still roles? And if so, what are they?

[22:10] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[24:49] Richard clears up some Scrum misconceptions; explains why Scrum is a framework, not a process; and offers tips to new Scrum teams.

[30:42] How new tech fits into modern Scrum and how teams can best adapt to these changes in technology.

[34:43] Does the latest Scrum guide specify that you do estimating or is ‘estimating’ a distant relic?

[42:27] When will the 2020 Scrum guide come out?

[43:10] Jeffrey thanks Richard for joining the podcast.


Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow


Kanban Guide for Scrum Teams (

Professional Scrum Development with Microsoft Visual Studio 2012 (Developer Reference), by Richard Hundhausen

Affinity Estimating

Planning Poker


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