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May 11, 2020

In this episode, Jeffrey Palermo is speaking with Michael Washington, an ASP.NET and C# programmer! Michael has extensive knowledge in process improvement, billing systems, and student information systems. He also is the founder of two websites, and — both fantastic resources that help empower developers. Michael resides in Los Angeles, California, with his son Zachary and wife, Valerie.


Together, Jeffrey and Michael speak about Blazor in-depth. They discuss the current state of Blazor; Oqtane, a modular application framework for Blazor; server-side Blazor apps; Radzen, a low-code, RAD solution; his books on the topic of Blazor; and his advice, tips, recommendations, and resources for Blazor as well.


Topics of Discussion:

[:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes.

[:46] About Jeffrey’s current promotions and offers.

[1:26] About today’s episode with Michael Washington!

[1:52] Jeffrey welcomes Michael to the show.

[2:00] Michael introduces himself and speaks about his websites.

[2:51] With so many technologies coming out, what is it about Blazor that attracted Michael?

[4:30] Does Michael see a thread that connects the Blazor community with certain other technologies?

[8:15] Michael explains what Oqtane is.

[10:25] Michael shares his thoughts on why Blazor caught the attention of the community whereas something like ASP.NET MVC did not.

[14:31] Is Oqtane in production? And will Oqtane work with the release Blazor?

[16:36] Are there currently any server-side Oqtane apps in production?

[18:30] Michael shares how easy it is to update Oqtane.

[21:15] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[21:40] Jeffrey shares some quick announcements.

[23:30] Michael talks about the DevOps Pipeline experience and gives his thoughts on how someone who doesn’t want to use the in-app installer experience on production (but they have a test automation environment and a UAT manual test environment before they get to production), gets the installer experience to work when they’re promoting it using Azure Pipelines?

[26:00] Michael speaks about what Oqtane is constantly evolving to address. 

[27:47] Beyond the quickstarts in Blazor, what has Michael had to think specifically about? Are there any “gotchas?” And what are some of the challenges as someone who has put multiple Blazor apps in production?

[30:30] Michael speaks about his books on the topic of Blazor.

[32:47] Michael shares some information about Lightswitch and the difference between it and Blazor.

[33:38] Michael gives his opinion on how Lightswitch was positioned and why it ultimately didn’t work out.

[35:46] Radzen: a Lightswitch-like alternative for Blazor.

[38:10] Michael highlights the importance of productivity.

[42:15] Why Michael focuses so much on Oqtane.

[44:32] Michael speaks about the scalability and performance of Blazor server-side apps.

[48:40] Are there any UI controls that Michael has found for Blazor that are really awesome and complete at this stage?

[50:50] Michael recommends some go-to resources for those who want to get started with Blazor.

[51:57] Jeffrey thanks Michael for joining the podcast!


Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events! — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited!

An Introduction to Building Applications with Blazor: How to get started creating applications using this existing easy to use Microsoft C# framework, by Michael Washington

Blazor Succinctly, by Michael Washington




WebView for .NET 5

Microsoft Silverlight


.NET Nuke





“Advanced Blazor Templating,” by Michael Washington


Visual Studio Lightswitch 

EF Core


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