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Azure DevOps Podcast

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Apr 24, 2023

Donovan Brown is a Partner Program Manager in the Azure CTO Incubations team at Microsoft. The Incubations team focuses on forward-looking development and innovation to facilitate the development of new projects and ideas. Before joining Microsoft, Donovan spent seven years as a Process Consultant and a Certified Scrum Master. Donovan has traveled the globe helping companies develop solutions using agile practices in many industries. Donovan is an avid programmer, often finding ways to integrate software into his other hobbies and activities.


Topics of Discussion:

[7:37] Why is Donovan retiring?

[8:49] Donovan talks about redefining his success and the decision he and his wife made to go live the life they want to live.

[12:03] Living paycheck to paycheck is a bad idea, regardless of how big the paycheck is.

[14:02] The importance of paying yourself first and making good money choices.

[17:50] If it’s putting money in your pocket, it’s an asset. Some houses are assets, while others are liabilities.

[18:36] Your money is your number one employee.

[23:42] Donovan gives his thoughts on inflation.

[31:00] Donovan gives advice for those early on in their career in both programming and making wise money decisions, including avoiding credit card debt.

[31:26] The importance of being tenacious despite not having a degree or experience.

[40:47] Donovan encourages programmers to learn a language that allows them to dabble in all different platforms.


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