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Feb 5, 2024

If you don’t already know Bob, he is a software engineer, instructor, and best-selling author. He is most recognized for developing numerous software design principles and for being a founder of the incredibly influential Agile Manifesto. Bob is the author of a number of Clean Code related books including his latest, Clean Agile: Back to Basics, where he reintroduces Agile values and principles for a new generation of programmers and nonprogrammers alike. In the past, Bob was also the editor-in-chief of C++ Report magazine and served as the first chairman of the Agile Alliance.


Topics of Discussion:

[3:48] Why the term “clean” when it comes to software? 

[5:16] Are people still writing “dirty” software? 

[7:06] it is the developers job to maintain quality, and pretending to go fast by rushing is not a viable solution. 

[9:54] Uncle Bob’s upcoming book on the history of programmers. 

[11:00] The first era of programmers may be the scribes of Egypt. 

[15:00] How Uncle Bob went about organizing the book into different eras of programmers. 

[18:10] A short backstory about Grace Hopper. 

[23:33] Uncle Bob’s other new book which is out now, Functional Design

[24:54] Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs 

[28:37] Does functionality have a concise set of principles? 

[33:11] Where are the shifts happening? 

[34:01] The loss of Moore’s Law. 

[37:33] What will be the winning strategies as we prepare for a few years where things grow, but not as quickly as they have, and we sit on a plateau? 

[40:51] Make it right, then you can make it fast. 


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Functional Design 

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Clean Agile 


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