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Mar 11, 2024

Rockford Lhotka is VP of Strategy at Xebia and Chief Software Architect at Marimer LLC. He is the creator of the open-source CSLA .NET development framework, the author of numerous books, and regularly speaks at major conferences around the world. Rockford is a member of the Microsoft Regional Director and MVP programs.


Topics of Discussion:

[3:36] Rockford’s career path at Xebia and consulting.

[5:18] Building frameworks that stand the test of time.

[6:38] Changes in the CLSA user base and the two major inflection points.

[11:40] How Rockford thinks about the general spectrum.

[16:14] The ways we can improve education include decades of previous experience and education.

[17:15] We need to ask why more.

[28:12] The job of an application architect.

[30:15] The “layer cake” as a visual way to express the concept.

[32:57] Separating business logic from user interface.

[33:53] The need for practical tools and frameworks that make developing easier.

[34:05] The five layers in the layer cake approach.

[47:03] The beauty of consistent coding.


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