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Mar 22, 2021

In this episode, Jeffrey and Richard are jumping into part-two of their two-part conversation! If you haven’t caught the previous episode, “Richard Campbell on the Humanitarian Toolbox — Episode 132,” be sure to tune into that first before diving into this one!


Richard Campbell is an entrepreneur, advisor, and rabid podcaster. He's also a Microsoft regional director, the co-host of .NET Rocks, host of the RunAs Radio, and is a consultant and advisor for a number of successful technology firms. Additionally, Richard is the founder of Humanitarian Toolbox, an organization designed to let developers around the world donate their skills to disaster relief organizations by building open-source software.


In their last conversation together, Richard spoke about his organization, Humanitarian Toolbox, and their most recent exciting endeavor: the Two Weeks Ready project. In today’s conversation, Richard speaks all about his new project to write a book compiling the history of .NET! He shares why this project is important to him, what it will serve as an important resource to developers new and old to the field, key pieces and insights into the history of .NET, and his predictions on the future of .NET, A.I., automation, and more!


Topics of Discussion:

[:38] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes.

[:50] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, and Jeffrey’s offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:14] About Jeffrey’s newest podcast, Architect Tips!

[1:18] About part-two of the two-part series with Richard Campbell.

[1:50] About Richard’s newest project: a book on the history of .NET and how the origin of how he got started with it.

[5:28] Richard retells the beginnings of how he approached the history of .NET project.

[8:27] The challenges of writing this book and what he hopes to accomplish by writing it.

[11:06] What Richard sees as the story and themes of .NET.

[12:35] Richard speaks about .NET’s pivot away from a focus on Windows into cross-platform, opensource, Cloud execution; as well as what he sees .NET 5 aiming towards.

[16:50] The advantages and disadvantages to upgrading to .NET 5.

[18:55] The latest state of power apps and the emergence of a new generation of domain expert developers.

[22:24] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[22:56] Discussing the development of automation in the industry.

[26:24] Richard’s predictions on the future of augmented reality.

[29:00] Jeffrey and Richard speak about how one of the visionaries of .NET, Brian Harry, is focusing his attention on A.I. currently, and what this could mean.

[32:08] Why developers need to become proficient in IoT to move A.I. forward.

[33:21] Is .NET being maintained because of the developer pool and eventually other things are going to win out? Or, is .NET continuing to grow, strengthen, and are others are going to get “squeezed out” because of it?

[37:19] What computing devices does Richard have in his bag and office?

[42:24] Jeffrey thanks Richard for joining the podcast!


Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

The Azure DevOps Podcast’s Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow

Richard Campbell’s LinkedIn

Richard Campbell’s Twitter @RichCampbell

The Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 132: “Richard Campbell on the Humanitarian Toolbox” — Part-One of the Conversation!

The Azure DevOps Podcast Ep. 45: “Richard Campbell on Software Perspectives”

.NET Rocks! Podcast

RunAs Radio Podcast

Humanitarian Toolbox

Humanitarian Toolbox on GitHub

Two Weeks Ready | Humanitarian Toolbox’s Latest Project


Azure Functions

HistoryofDot.Net — Richard’s Blog




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