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Jan 30, 2023

An international speaker, Microsoft MVP, ASPInsider, MCSD, PSM II, PSD, and PST, and a passionate member of the developer community, Phil has been working with .NET since the first betas, developing software for over 35 years, and heavily involved in the agile community since 2005 as well as a Professional Scrum Trainer. Phil has taken over the best-selling Pro C# books (Apress Publishing), including "Pro C# 10", is the President of the Cincinnati .NET User’s Group (, and the Cincinnati Software Architect Group, co-hosted the Hallway Conversations podcast (, founded and runs the CincyDeliver conference (, and volunteers for the National Ski Patrol. During the day, Phil works as the CTO for Pintas & Mullins. Phil always enjoys learning new tech and is always striving to improve his craft.


Topics of Discussion:

[2:22] What were the key points that steered Philip along his career and watershed moments?

[6:42] The importance of having a contract in place for every job.

[8:14] Philip talks about honing his craft and putting himself in rooms with people he admired.

[11:01] What did the Library of Congress have to do with Philip’s book?

[18:00] As the CTO of a private company, what does Philip think about the software executive role?

[19:33] Don’t ask your employees to do anything they’re not willing to do for you. Trust your employees and let them grow.

[24:11] The best leaders don’t have to be in management.

[24:53] What is an NCO, non-commissioned officer?

[27:15] Phil shares his view on object-oriented programming in the modern C#.

[32:19] What is technical debt?

[33:50] Another really nice feature built into Entity Framework core, or EF core, is the idea of concurrency checking.

[37:57] When you refactor, you want the end product to be what you would have made it if you had been going from the beginning.

[42:12] Philip talks about running the Cincy Deliver conference.


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