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Aug 12, 2019

Today’s guest is Mads Torgerson, the lead designer and program manager of the C# programming language. He has been with Microsoft for 14 years. And prior to that, Mads was a professor and also contributed to a language starting with J.


In this week’s episode, Mads and Jeffrey are discussing the latest in C#. Mads shares everything he knows about C#, the progress on C# 8 and when you can expect to get your hands on it, and all of the new features to look forward to. Mads and Jeffrey also speak about some of the main hurdles with the release of C# 8, some of the key problems they will be addressing in future versions of the language, and which frameworks will be supporting the new features of C# 8. He also shares some invaluable online resources to learn more about the upcoming features in C# 8 to follow-up on after listening to this week’s episode!


Tune in for this week’s deep dive into the language of C#!


Topics of Discussion:

[:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes!

[:49] Where to get a hold of Jeffrey’s new book, .NET DevOps for Azure.

[1:40] About today’s episode and guest.

[1:54] Jeffrey welcomes Mads Torgersen to the show!

[2:07] Mads speaks about his career journey leading up to the present day.

[4:07] Does Mads have a sense of how many people are typing keywords in C# on a daily basis?

[5:25] Mads speaks about what’s left to do to get C# 8 out the door.

[6:24] The new main features to look forward to in C# 8.

[10:23] Mads recommends online resources to learn more about the upcoming features in C# 8.

[11:50] What should developers think about when it comes to backward compatibility in C# 8?

[17:06] Mads speaks about the differences in nullable value type, the route they took with C# 8 in regards to it, and how it affects it.

[23:37] A word from Azure DevOps sponsor: Clear Measure.

[24:01] Mads speaks about one of the hurdles with the release of C# 8.

[26:48] When does Mads foresee people being able to have C# 8 in their hands?

[27:50] Will .NET framework 4.8 have any of the features?

[28:10] Which frameworks will support the new features of C# 8?

[29:21] What are some of the key problems Mads and the team will be trying to figure out some solutions in future versions of the language?

[34:00] Mads speaks about a few more of the hurdles that make it difficult to select C# for a functional style as opposed to going to another language like F#?

[35:57] Mads speaks about type data in C#.

[39:20] Mads gives some resource recommendations to follow-up on after listening to this week’s show!


Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!

Mads Torgersen


MVP Summit

Anders Hejlsberg

“The Future of C#,” with Mads Torgersen and Dustin Campbell at Build 2018

Mads Torgersen on GitHub


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