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Azure DevOps Podcast

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Jan 27, 2020

In this week’s podcast, Jeffrey Palermo welcomes Abel Wang on to the show! Abel Wang is a Principal Cloud Advocate specializing in DevOps and Azure with a background in application development at Microsoft. He’s also currently a part of Donovan Brown's ‘League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates.’ Before joining Microsoft, Abel spent seven years as a Process Consultant and a Certified Scrum Master helping customers globally develop solutions using agile practices and Team Foundation Server. When he’s not working, Abel is either writing code (yes, that’s what he does for fun), playing one of his many guitars, or training for The Great Wall Marathon now that he is cancer-free!


Today, Jeffrey and Abel are discussing DevOps infrastructure. Abel highlights some of the new advances that listeners should be paying attention to as well as some of the things that they should absolutely be doing right now, speaks about being a part of Donavan Brown’s ‘League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates,’ shares his passion for all things DevOps, and much more!


Topics of Discussion:

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[:47] About today’s fantastic guest, Abel Wang!

[1:32] Jeffrey welcomes Abel on to the podcast.

[1:51] What is The Great Wall Marathon?

[3:10] Jeffrey congratulates Abel on being cancer-free and Abel reflects a bit on his past year and overcoming cancer.

[3:33] Abel speaks about his background in writing code and how he’s gotten to where he is today in his career.

[9:17] The importance of understanding the why behind scrum and agile.

[12:44] Fastforwarding into Abel’s career, he speaks about his experience at Microsoft and being a part of Donavan Brown’s ‘League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates.’

[14:40] A quick word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[15:07] Jeffrey gives some quick announcements.

[15:45] @TheLoECDA’s response time on Twitter.

[17:07] Abel highlights some of the new advances that listeners should be paying attention to and/or absolutely be doing right now. He also defines what ‘infrastructure as code’ is.

[26:27] Is there going to be integration between GitHub and AzureDevOps or are they going to be kept separate? Abel also gives his reasoning behind why Azure DevOps Services is not going anywhere!

[29:14] Abel speaks about the future of being able to have the entire chain all the way through Azure through a press of a button.

[31:55] Abel points listeners to his blog for listeners who want to learn more!


Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook! — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events! — Email Jeffrey for a free 30-point DevOps inspection (regularly priced at $5000!) — Spaces are limited!

Abel Wang’s Website

Abel Wang on Twitter

The Great Wall Marathon

Ken Schwaber

Donovan Brown

The League of Extraordinary Cloud DevOps Advocates

Twitter @TheLoECDA

Octopus Deploy
Redgate SQL Change Automation

Continuous Integration: Improving Software Quality and Reducing Risk, by Paul M. Duvall, Steve Matyas, and Andrew Glover


AI and ML

GitHub Actions


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