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Azure DevOps Podcast

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Jul 15, 2019

Today’s guest is Richard Campbell! Richard’s career has spanned the computing industry — both on the hardware and the software side; development and operations. He was a co-founder of Strangeloop Networks, which was acquired by Radware in 2013 and spent five years on the Board of Directors of Telerik (which was acquired by Progress Software in 2014). He has also founded Humanitarian Toolbox, an organization design to let developers around the world donate their skills to disaster relief organizations by building open source software. Today he is a consultant and advisor for a number of successful technology firms as well as the co-owner and content planner of the DevIntersection group of conferences. On top of all that, you may also recognize Richard as a co-host on two podcasts: .NET Rocks! and RunAs Radio!


In this week’s fun episode, Jeffrey and Richard discuss software perspectives and shipping software without all the trendy buzzwords. Richard shares what he has learned over his time shipping software, his thoughts on Dev and Ops and how they can better come together, his recommendations on how to structure logs and what to log, the challenges with an independently running application or service, his predictions on what user interface types and application types will be the next big trend, and his best pick as far as all of the UI and application types available today. He also gives a bit of a sneak preview of the book he is currently working on about .NET!


Topics of Discussion:

[:40] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes!

[:48] Where to get a hold of Jeffrey’s new book, .NET DevOps for Azure.

[1:35] About today’s episode and guest.

[2:50] Jeffrey welcomes Richard to the show!

[4:09] Back when Richard wrote his first line of code in 1977, was there a division between Dev and Ops?

[5:41] Jeffrey and Richard discuss shipping software, what Richard has learned over his time doing it, about the history of .NET book Richard is working on, and other key lessons from his various positions in the industry.

[11:28] Richard gives his recommendations on how to structure logs and what to log.

[14:51] The best thing you can do when you’re trying to work across teams.

[16:02] There are a lot of developers… but where are the architects? And how does a developer become an architect?

[19:40] A word from Azure DevOps sponsor: Clear Measure.

[20:05] On the topic of ‘buzzwords…’ How would Richard classify a microservice?

[22:41] One of the challenges with an independently running application or service: the state/data.

[27:16] Richard gives his predictions on what user interface types and application types are going to be the next trend and his thoughts on what developers should be investing their skills in.

[28:21] What would be Richard’s best pick as far as all of the UI and application types available today?

[31:50] Is the language less important than the platform?

[33:49] What're the best mechanisms for somebody getting into the platform today?

[36:52] When is Richard’s .NET book coming out? And what will it be about?


Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor) — Reach out to Jeffrey @JeffreyPalermo on Twitter if you have a user group or conference and would like some free copies of .NET DevOps for Azure!

.NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo

Humanitarian Toolbox

.NET Rocks! Podcast

RunAs Radio Podcast


Progress Software’s acquisition of Telerik

Microsoft Secrets: How the World's Most Powerful Software Company Creates Technology, Shapes Markets and Manages People, by Michael A. Cusumano


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